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Author: Mike Childs
Posted: Thu 4th Oct 2012, 22:19
Joined: 1990
Local Group: Dorset

I am sure I can answer one of your points, on behalf of Terry and Hazel.

No one is being disingenuous (whatever that means..)

Planning and writing a route description for a major challenge walk is hard work, a lot of responsibility and it takes a lot of time. And there are many pitfalls. Believe me. I speak from experience

Personally, I would not issue any 100 RD to anyone, until it is satisfactorily finished and independently checked. Because a "provisional" route description, or a partly finished one, may contain the possibility of all kinds of serious problems for the LDWA later - including accidental trespass (upsetting land owners), confusion with later "editions" - and in some terrain, the possible situation of people getting seriously just lost doing a recce. It does happen....

An outline of the route, which is what we have at present from Cornwall and Devon, is fine. And certainly is good enough for me.

But, please do not chase the organisers, they have plenty to do, and the RD is only one of their many and difficult tasks.

It will all be OK on the day
Author: Terry Bound
Posted: Thu 4th Oct 2012, 19:30
Joined: 1983
Local Group: Cornwall & Devon
Author: Carole Elizabeth Engel
Posted: Thu 4th Oct 2012, 14:17
Joined: 1998
Local Group: Calderdale
Author: Eileen Greenwood
Posted: Thu 4th Oct 2012, 10:29
Joined: 2002
Local Group: Yorkshire Coast
I like to reccy the 100 but not in order to race round or enable me to go faster as racing isn't part of my vocabularly! But I do like to see the night time sections of the 100 routes in daylight. There is usually some very pretty scenery around. And I like to take a stress free few days holiday by reccying the route around the Easter period.
Author: John Pennifold
Posted: Wed 3rd Oct 2012, 23:19
Joined: 1996
Local Group: London
Camel-Teign Ivor's Dream? I'm sure that I'm missing something here. Is Ivor "Ivor the Engine"?
Author: Roy Turner
Posted: Wed 3rd Oct 2012, 21:24
Joined: 1988
Local Group: Vermuyden (South Yorks)
The Majority of my 100 walks have'nt been recce'ed, each footfall being a virgin step, much better working fresh from the Route/Desc/ Map.
What's the advantage? Time. Yes ok, special walk this one. But in general, are'nt we time obsessed??
Agree with John,would'nt mind route desc handed out at registration.
Author: Terry Bound
Posted: Wed 3rd Oct 2012, 17:14
Joined: 1983
Local Group: Cornwall & Devon
Author: Peter Jull
Posted: Wed 3rd Oct 2012, 11:00
Joined: 2011
Local Group: Kent
I tried Andrew's suggestion but made the distance from checkpoit 1 to checkpoit 2 only 5.8 miles not the 6.8 indicated. Is there a deliberate diversion to get the distance, or a measuring error or more likely the route is still being refined & too much detail more misleading than helpful.

Further on any obvious route between checkpoints was less than obvious to me & wouldn't have included Dartmeet unless the route description said so. Compass looks likely to be essential. My only concern is that the route looks likely to suffer from intrusive A38 traffic noise towards the end.
Author: Matthew Hand
Posted: Tue 2nd Oct 2012, 17:16
Joined: 2001
Local Group: Mid Wales
Author: Carole Elizabeth Engel
Posted: Tue 2nd Oct 2012, 13:28
Joined: 1998
Local Group: Calderdale
Posted: Sat 29th Sep 2012, 18:34
What secrecy? On most events the route description isn't released until after the deadline for entries, but there'll be a brief summary which gives a reasonable idea of "what you're letting yourself in for" without having to scrutinise every step of the route. In the case of the 2013 Hundred the route summary runs thus:

"After leaving Wadebridge the route runs along the Camel Trail to Checkpoint 1 at Dunmere. Shortly after this it leaves the trail and heads off across pasture and woodland to Bodmin Moor, passing Brown Willy on the way to Jamaica Inn and the A30. From here the walk winds its way through pastureland again to Pensilva and Callington to arrive at Tavistock for breakfast stop. From here is a steady climb to Dartmoor by way of Sampford Spiney and the dismantled railway to reach Princetown (of Dartmoor Prison fame) and the highest point of the walk. A gentle descent follows to Hexworthy and Dartmeet before leaving the moor at Newbridge. Back through woodlands and riverside walking to Ashburton at 80 miles, followed by pasture and heath passing through Liverton, Chudleigh Knighton and Ideford before a final ascent over the Haldon Ridge, to cross the golf course and the descent into the finish at Teignmouth."

I'd have thought that constituted at least enough information to be able to decide whether or not to enter; of course full details will be released later for the purposes of recces etc.

John P - I'd be happy to tackle 20-30 miles under the conditions you describe, not sure I'd fancy 100 though!
Author: Dr. John Batham
Posted: Fri 28th Sep 2012, 15:35
Joined: 2007
Local Group: East Yorkshire
John Phillips - what you are suggesting is that it should be a Challenge!!
Author: Albert Bowes
Posted: Fri 28th Sep 2012, 15:10
Joined: 1990
Local Group: Cleveland
Can I add a plea on behalf of the "checkpointers"and supporters who spend many hours supporting entrants on the 100. Over a number of years now some of us have pre-walked the 100 route over a week using it as a weeks holiday, getting to know the area, enjoying the scenery, countryside and villages en'route. A lot of money must be put into the local economy by 100 pre-walkers. Why spoil our fun. We have to listen to our partners, friends etc after the event recounting the whys and wherefores of the event, its good to have the knowledge of the route to be able to converse with them.

Having walked a 100 in the past, I think it is enough of a challenge without trying to make it harder by not issuing the route in enough time to plan a recee, plus many hour can be spent in front of mapping systems on the computer checking out the route on cold winter nights!!!. The question of the route going over private land shouldnt be an issue, this has happened in the past with an alternative suggested bypass being offered for pre-walkers.

Eva Bowes
Author: Andrew Gilbertson
Posted: Sun 23rd Sep 2012, 17:13
Joined: 2005
Local Group: Beds, Bucks and Northants
I think one can can get a very good idea of what the route will be, by looking at the maps with stated checpoints marked and finding sensible ways to link them.
On that basis I would say that a lot will be on tracks?cycle ways etc.
Should be a wonderful walk so long as the weather is not TOO challenging.
Author: John Phillips
Posted: Fri 21st Sep 2012, 11:06
Joined: 2007
Local Group: South Pennine
Wouldn't it be fun if the 100 route only issued on the morning of the event? No pre reccying, no 50 page route description, no GPS, everyone having to use map and compass to navigate between checkpoints? No planning of shortcuts before the event. Everyone getting lost overnight? Discuss
Author: Mark Garratt
Posted: Thu 20th Sep 2012, 21:03
Joined: 2016
Local Group: Heart of England
The checkpoints are on the website but obviously not the route . I would enter I did this years hundred and didn't reccee the course which maybe would have helped but the organisinion for the 100 is fantastic . It was my first 100 this year after doing loads of marathons and a few 50 s . The 100 hurt like hell but I am coming back for more . Enter you won't regret it I promise
Author: Carole Elizabeth Engel
Posted: Thu 20th Sep 2012, 14:11
Joined: 1998
Local Group: Calderdale
I am writing to ask opinions on the "secretiveness" of the 2013 Hundred route. Entries open soon but the route will not be disclosed until January 2013. How can anyone enter such a big challenge without having a clue as to what they are letting themselves in for? I cannot walk 100 miles (as opposed to the usual 20 to 25 miles) if it is predominantly road and track and I want to make an informed decision before committing myself. The reason appears to be that the route goes over "private land" but of course, isn't all land in the UK owned by someone? I would expect challenge events to be on public rights of way or over open access land, which is open to everyone.

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